Are Sports Rigged
- Sports Are Rigged Conspiracy
- Are All-pro Sports Rigged
- Are Professional Sports Rigged
- Pro Football Is Fixed
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I don't believe the NBA is rigged for example. My friend wonders how I can believe in NWO and Elites controlling the narrative of the world but not believe the NBA is rigged which he believes. I have read a few threads on rigged sports on this subreddit and people seem to think: Obviously its rigged Tim Donague was caught rigging games as a ref. In organized sports, match fixing occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result, violating the rules of the game and often the law. The most common reason is to obtain a payoff from gamblers, but teams may also intentionally perform poorly to gain a future advantage, such as a better draft pick or, on paper, a less eminent opponent in a play-off. This went to the Supreme Court and they ruled that NFL football is not a sport, it's entertainment, so therefore it can legally be rigged. All professional sports are run by gangsters. Sports fans don't want to believe this. It's like telling a 3 year old Santa doesn't exist.
petroglyph.....Sitting there watching a fight at ringside with a limited perspective, no announcers and knowing when a punch landed or not is very, very hard....
That reminded me of the time....An old friend got into words with a guy in a bar, and they decided to 'take it out back' of the bar.
They started slugging each other, and it was pretty obvious the other guy had had some training. He was landing punch after punch and started throwing combinations at my friend.
The friend says to the guy, hey wait a second, so the guy stops swinging.
My buddy says to him, I'm not sure what's going on here, but if you want to keep fighting with me, you are going to have to slow down a little bit.
The other guy started laughing so hard, he said he was done. : )
Sports Are Rigged Conspiracy
Even the examples you gave are speculative
For a few of the examples I was very clear that their were rumors and that I believed them. For other examples, they are simply how the sports leagues operate. Do you really disagree that draft position is rigged to give a benefit to the weaker teams at the expense of the stronger teams?
Conspiracy minded people tend to not really grasp how different the first person perspective is from the outside, TV/Video game perspective.
You missed the entire point that a game can be rigged (and would be easier to rig) without any conspiracy at all.
Mayweather was playing games with McGregor, but not doing much damage. It is rare for a fight to stop under those conditions. Usually it is the opposite problem, where the ref lets the fight go on longer than it should. Because it can be so hard to score a round in boxing, giving a 10-8 round to someone without a knockdown makes it look even more suspicious. The ref and the judge could very easily have been favoring Mayweather independently, without any conspiracy at all. Their bias may have changed the probability of a Mayweather win from 98% to 99%. May not seem like much, but it cuts McGregor's chances of winning in half.
A ref is watching 20 things happen at once, with incredible speed, while standing there on the floor. The idea that he is perfectly calculating what call to make with regard to the point spread is a little silly.
The Lakers-Kings was an All-Time great screwup by the refs, with motivation to do so, corroborated by other sources that the refs were favoring one team. As I said before, there are rumors and I believe it happened. As hard as it can be to make the right call, every close call went to the Lakers, in addition to calls that weren't close at all. There is a very low probability of that happening just based on degree of difficulty without some outside influence. And even if it was all just one big colossal screwup without anything deeper, the refusal of the league to use replay technology helped to rig the game to whichever team was the beneficiary of those screwups.
Makes me think of the widely held believe that in basketball the refs will often give 'make-up' call after they screwup. Just watching casually, it seems like this is true. And it is definitely a form of the refs rigging the game.
Referencing the point spread is silly and meaningless, as that is almost never the basis for why a game would be rigged. (Though there are some examples of when it has been)
Imagine someone claiming your every move was part of some grand scheme to screw them over, and that this was all you thought about 24/7 with perfect focus and flawless execution. Not only that, it was part of a perfectly coordinated effort with everybody else in your life, who was doing the same thing.
Imagine a non-coordinated effort by one person, making one action in their own best interest, without regard for anything else. A cashier dipping into the cash register. Someone taking a sick day so they can go to the beach. Stretching the truth on a resume. A fight judge scoring it for the guy who will help them keep their job. If you believe those first three could happen, the last one seems pretty reasonable.RS
How often do you think sporting events are rigged? Are you suggesting maybe several NBA games are rigged every week? Are most (big) boxing fights rigged? How rigged do you consider to be rigged? Obviously there's going to be a level of bias, whether you naturally favor Floyd, the Warriors, or if you're more inclined to let a fight go on longer / stop it quicker than what other refs may. But do you think there's a conscious effort to favor one side versus the other, as in the ref is purposely calling extra fouls on purpose (which is different than a subconscious bias)?
But no I don't see how the NFL draft is rigged. It is designed to help the worst teams. I don't know. Are tournaments that reward the best teams with byes or good seeds rigged? That just doesn't make sense with my understanding of the word.
Rewatching the end of the fight. The stoppage was on the early side but well within the parameters of fairness and normalcy A gassed fighter was out of the fight. His hands were down. Opponent was teeing off almost at will. Given 10 more seconds, there is little doubt Connor would be properly KOed, and perhaps badly hurt. Could have waited for 1 more hay maker but again, a snap judgement from a first person perspective in the heat of the moment. I'd be shocked if the possibility of Connor winning was anywhere in his mind.
The ref might consider the lopsidedness of the overall fight. In this case, the fact that the dude was an amateur. And lean to preventing the last 1 or 2 punches that could be devastating.
Though he put in a relatively great performance, Connor did not have a 1% chance before the fight started, let alone at that point.
Only people who had Conor think the fight ended prematurely.
AxelWolfone of the best deals you will ever get in horse racing is betting against the not so wise wiseguys who think the fix is in
some trainers are winning around 30% - an outlandish % - everybody who knows knows he's juicing the horses with illegal drugs - and he most probably is
so this trainer claims a nobody horse who in the last 3 races has finished, 9, 10 and 12 lengths behind the winner in his last 3 races
and these not so wise wiseguys bet this horse way down believing the trainer is going to juice the horse and he's going to win
but this trainer is not a miracle worker
this horse is not going to win (or very, very seldom)
nice edge betting against 'the fix'.
I once saw them bet way down a horse with a juicing trainer who had finished 30, then 28 lengths behind the winner in his 2 races before last. and in his last race he did not finish- he was pulled up
an example of stupid people who think they're really smart
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I have rarely messed with the horses, the few times I have there was a clear advantage. At a time back in the 90's when I first started APing there was lots easy very low-risk consistent AP money to be made. I got to know quite a few guys that were doing the same type of plays that I was, some even started before I had. After a short while, I could tell the ones that bet on the horses. They were all very unkept, half crazy, and broke (or close to it) by the end of each day. Half of them loved to tell me how good they were at the horses.
I dont think 95%of the guys or gals on this site fits the above description of horse bettors. So don't be offended by my story. I'm not Horseist, I just stereotype guys I see betting horses in the 'horsebook'
I've possibly created a new word here.
Consider various Overs in Cricket Test Matches.
Playing to a lesser advantage will hardly be detected, won't cost any points and wont affect the game.
So it is relatively easy to get a player to accept a hundred grand to do it.
With all these forms on in-game betting the cheating market is worth millions.
With millions at stake, what do you think happens.
Look at those very experienced homicide cops at The Met who needed counseling when a member of a cheating ring let his cell phone go dead and couldn't call in the results in a game that was 'live' . Two minutes of delay and it took him atleast two days to die. Heck, it took his cat at least two days also.
But assuming it's all fair and square, I've always been intrigued of live-betting because just off the top of my head, I feel like that could be a major AP play, but never really dug deep into it. The in-game odds being put out by these sportsbooks throughout the game will always be less accurate than having days to put out a line before a game starts, and that's obviously due to time being the issue. This is especially true for the smaller local books who don't get to compare their lines to the major sportsbooks because once again, time is an issue. Not to mention, even if they still put out accurate lines, if you've done your homework before the game and you're able to see what kind of motivation and intangible things are happening from one team and not the other, it might reinforce your bet to double down or maybe cut your losses and bet on the 'hungrier' team etc. This is a huge variance reducer and should be +EV if you do it right. The point made by Tom regarding the Hawaii - UNLV game is a good example of that. If you felt Hawaii was a great pick before the game, but then you see how they came out flat for whatever reason, you might now be inclined to change your bet. I feel like live betting allows further flexibility to the studious observer. Of course you still have to do your homework to make a rational educated bet, but it should lower the risk a lot especially when you made a +EV bet to begin with.
Also to the people mentioning the drafts in professional sports. Has anyone seen the NBA draft and how it's done? lol. They literally do it in the 'back' and not one person in the general public gets to see what is happening with those ping pong balls as they decide who gets the number 1 pick LOL. I mean seriously? Why can't they just show some integrity and do it in the front of everyone? Red flags should be going off in everyone's head after that suspicious procedure. By the way, Tom and RIGondeaux(seriously just realized you have the word 'rig' in your name lol). Anyway, you guys seem to be talking about rigging the draft in a different way, saying they favor favorable teams. Do you mean that teams with losing records shouldn't be awarded a better chance to land a top pick? That's not really 'rigging' per se. That's just a horrible policy in place because it destroys competition. The NBA and the NFL should introduce the same league policy as they do in international soccer. If you don't get in the top 95% of the standings you get RELEGATED to another division. This will end 'tanking' as we know it and not have teams purposely games and thereby enhancing competition throughout the whole season regardless if a team is already eliminated for the playoffs. The NBA and the NFL need to implement at the least another division, maybe two for all the relegated teams. Of course this will entail needing more professional teams to create a multi division sport, but it has to be done. I think it would be a +EV business decision and a strong negotiating point at the table with prospective owners.
I have half a brain and I noticed. I also watch the 'Serbian Lottery Scandal' on youtube and was SHOCKED. Why, they draw their numbers the exact same way we here in the states draw our Mega Millions and Power Ball numbers! But, no WAY would OUR boys fleece us. Anyway, sports, or anything where there is that much money involved, of course somewhere there's going to be a Tony Soprano with his hand out, waiting for his cut. It's the way it is and the way it's always been.
Are All-pro Sports Rigged
Wait until you see how the NBA draft is done. LOLAuthor Says Evidence Proves Pro Sports Rigged
Are Professional Sports Rigged
By Victor Thorn
The American landscape is littered with crooked politicians, corrupt judges, corporate conmen, sleazy televangelists and stolen elections. Could the manipulation of professional sports, including the National Football League (NFL), also be added to this list? Oh, say it ain’t so, Joe.
During a July 21 interview, Brian Tuohy, author of The Fix Is In, told this writer: “In a May 20 NFL court case concerning the New England Patriots ‘Spygate’ scandal, Sr. U.S. Circuit Judge Robert E. Cowen ruled that, at best, tickets to a football game don’t come with the promise that the contest will be a fair one. Fans only have the legal right to see a game, and nothing more. The league doesn’t have to follow any certain rules or laws regarding the outcome of these games.”
This decision arose because the NFL is a self-contained entity that exists without any meaningful oversight from any outside body looking over its shoulder.
The NFL is a not-for-profit corporation, a 501(c)6 business “league,” that pulls in nearly $8 billion annually and pays its head, who is called a “commissioner,” $11 million a year.
Since television networks and advertisers funnel millions of dollars into sporting events, each league is acutely aware that they have to keep their “show business product” filled with intrigue to boost ratings.
Tuohy concedes that the vast majority of games are legitimate, but if a good storyline develops, similar to a soap opera or professional wrestling, the league will help this drama along.
One way to shave points or alter an outcome is via the referees. Tuohy notes that since these officials are employees of each league, it’s not considered bribery, or even an illegality, if a referee does or doesn’t make a certain call. They’re nothing more than paid company men following a script.
To prevent whistleblowers, the NFL instituted a profit-sharing program where every team in the league, even the worst ones, benefits as more money is generated.
They’re all in the same boat, and no one wants to poison the message by saying specific games are fixed. In addition, Tuohy points out that many NFL team owners have organized-crime backgrounds and direct connections to gambling outfits.
With huge amounts of money at stake, the situation becomes political. Similar to congressmen who’ve been compromised, players with gambling problems, drug arrests or other legal entanglements become much more vulnerable to the pressures of throwing a game. If a quarterback is faced with prison time, losing millions in endorsements or being banished by the league for illegal steroid use, tossing a few deliberate interceptions is a small price to pay.
To bolster his argument, Tuohy provides examples. After Super Bowl III where Joe Namath became a superstar, Colts lineman Bubba Smith snapped, “The game was set up for the Jets to win.”
Tuohy cites other sports venues, too Racecar driver Tony Stewart admitted in 2007: “It’s like playing God. [NASCAR] can almost dictate the race instead of the drivers doing it. . . . I don’t know that they’ve run a fair race all year.”
Then there’s NBA referee Tim Donaghy, who provided inside information to gamblers, allowing them an 80 percent accuracy rate in predicting the outcome of games. Like dishonest Wall Street investment bankers, Donaghy naturally received financial compensation for his secretive revelations.
One other parallel to the corporate-political world exists. Akin to a docile White House press corps, Tuohy asserts that the sports media is afraid to expose offending players or coaches because the reporters would be blackballed by the league. It’s well known that one of the largest sports networks, ESPN, doesn’t engage in investigative journalism because the network would potentially lose millions in revenue if spectators sensed that the Super Bowl and World Series were rigged.
The longer this writer spoke with Tuohy, the clearer it became that the realm of political conspiracies and fixed sporting events were closely related. Whereas Fox News or NBC won’t reveal the truth about 9-11, Tuohy is thwarted by corrupt owners and monolithic sports departments, who all circle their wagons to keep their secrets secret.
And don’t forget Council on Foreign Relations man George Mitchell appearing out of nowhere more than once in recent years to investigate steroid use in professional sports. That is a rather curious shifting of gears from the CFR—the premier private outlet for directing U.S. foreign policy and supplying key personnel for government policy-making jobs—to professional sports.
When asked if he faced any repercussions regarding his book, Tuohy explained: “I think I’m being censored by the sports media. After interviewing me, ESPN refused to publish any articles about sports conspiracies. Plus, they’ve banned me from their big radio networks and sports talk shows.”
Victor Thorn is a hard-hitting researcher, journalist and the author of many books on 9-11 and the New World Order. These include 9-11 Evil: The Israeli Role in 9-11 and Phantom Flight 93.
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Pro Football Is Fixed
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